Curse

Reverend Jekyll · Mar 06, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Dario D.

I have Droknar's Armor...

(I even have the ranger's Barrage elite skill...)

(60% of the skills are useless anyway).

(apparently just to kill monsters faster, with no reward whatsoever for a character like mine, since I cant use anything they drop at that point, and I dont need their XP anymore)

Problem:
Ranger/Mo + max armor + max weapon + max attribute points + best skills + 17 leftover skill points + only halway through game = no reason to collect money for armor/weapons/inventory = no reason to do quests for XP/attribute points/skill points = no reason to fight monsters because XP wont give me anything I dont have already = no reason to do ANYTHING = BOOOOOORING!!!!

Let me sum up what you have said so far. I'll paraphrase so it's easier.

"I was rushed through the game so that I could have end game gear and skills as quickly as possible. I am now so much more powerful than anything around me that I am bored with killing things that represent no challenge. Even though I'm level 20 my /deaths count is probably less than 10. I have never had to work for anything that I have so I take it 100% for granted. Now that I'm stuck doing inane stuff over and over again I will probably quit, never seeing anything more challenging than some enchanted armor, scarabs and minotaurs."

Let me give you a bit of advice. Start a new character. Stay in pre-sear until level 6 or so, enough time to do every quest there. Do every quest and mission in post-searing. Don't skip ahead to get the best armor/gear/skills, learn to work with what you have so that you don't become a one-trick pony.

You will find that while it's more tedious to do it that way, it's also more rewarding. It also gives you the sense of accomplishment that you are currently lacking (which is why you are so bored atm).

Greedy Gus · Mar 06, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

Now now, let's not change this into a PvP vs PvE thread (again).. a huge number of people enjoy just the PvE bit, and vice versa

There is no "vs" aspect about it. It's fairly obvious that the end-game is PvP oriented, while merely the first few runs through the PvE campaign are highly entertaining. A-net has done as much as possible to eliminate grind in this game, which the key to a player vs. environment game, through green items, easily obtained max level, easily obtained max armor, low cost chests dropping rare items, etc.

As far as I knew, this game was always touted as a competitive (PvP) rpg, that also had a pve campaign to prepare players for PvP. Everyone who referred me to the game admitted that the PvE side got tedious but the competitive PvP was the meat and potatoes.

The OP is bored with the campaign, and is asking where his end-game play is. It would be misleading to tell him anything other than PvP.

Traveller · Mar 06, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

As far as I knew, this game was always touted as a competitive (PvP) rpg, that also had a pve campaign to prepare players for PvP.

Most people I've talked with say that you really cannot use PvE strategies in PvP, since, well, the opposition is a bit smarter than your average monster. After trying PvP for the first time after a while back, I'd say the learning starts from zero.

myword · Mar 06, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

i asked this same question when i finished the PVE campaign on my first character, then i found PVP... and made 2 other PVE characters to unlock more skills (before introduction of faction system)

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Originally Posted by Dario D.

XP is useless to me now, because leveling up gives me nothing (just "Skill" points that do nothing for me). No more reason to do quests for XP, so you can throw all questing in the trash, because it's useless now. No more reason to kill monsters for XP, because I cant use XP, and therefor there no reason to fight monsters.

must... be... first... to... lvl99!!!

Harmony · Mar 06, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

I agree with much of the advice given above. If you were ran through the game,especially with your first character, then you really cheated yourself big time. The game is so much more than just powerleveling. That said, it seems obvious (to me at least) that you really do not have any plans to change your build, make a new character, etc, and have determined to be bored with it. I add my voice to the others who have said it much more succinctly than myself; this is probably not the right game for you.

Jenosavel · Mar 06, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

As has already been said, playing this game is the only reward you need for playing it. So many other RPGs (and don't get me wrong, I love RPGs), have such tedious and boring gameplay that they have to give you a reward for plunking away endlessly at enemies. They do it by always having the lure of that next level hanging in front of your nose. (x_x Don't even get me started on La Pucelle or Disgaea)

Guild Wars is different.

The end game quests (Titans especially) are a prime example. They're like the Weapon fights in the Final Fantasy series. There's no real reason to do them save for bragging rights or the knowledge that you've truly mastered the game. While any "true mastery" of Guild Wars will be much more difficult, the goal is the same. Play to see if you can beat the real challenges, and if you can't, then train yourself to become better. That is the real fun of Guild Wars. Your character doesn't do much in the way of leveling, but you sure as heck do.

I can say with confidence that Guild Wars is one of my favorite games. I like it for the same reason I like Ninja Gaiden. It's hard. It atually means something if you're good enough to stick it through to the end or manage to push your guild into the top 100 (still dreaming of the latter

).

Jordster · Mar 06, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

D2 was a joke ... Run through the campaign once and level to 30. Run through it again - fighting all the same mobs that are much tougher- and now you're L40. Run through THE EXACT SAME GAME again - only again tougher - and you're L50. Then, to get exp, do Baal runs until your balls fall off.

Dario you should go play that. You'll get exp for every single mob you kill! Once day, you might get to L99 so you can be really good at killing the SAME DAMN MOBS over and over!!

If killing mobs in D2 gave you a sense of accomplishment, you should look up a game called Progress Quest - it would be perfect for you.

Big_Iron · Mar 06, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Playing GW isn't about how high you can level up to. In PvE, there's a story you play through. You play through the missions and quests and experience the story. If all I did was try to level, I'd be bored too. I've finished the game with 3 (and almost 4) chars. I enjoy it each time because I like the story so much a long with the friends I make a long the way.

Hockster · Mar 06, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

He's already made up his mind that the game is over for him.

Just uninstall it and go find something else. If Diablo was so much more rewarding, well..........

Hell Marauder · Mar 06, 2006, 04:01 PM // 16:01

So you've gotten to level 20, but what about your rank, what about your fame? I'll bet they're 0, aren't they? So it's time for you to reach that elusive rank 12 or above, as I believe there's no upper limit to your rank. Let's see how good a power leveler you are.

And if you're not into leveling, how many serpent/dwarven axes have you found? How about crystalline swords? So you've got a very long way to go for treasure hunting, my friend.

Mordakai · Mar 06, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Xenrath

I for one probably won't be visiting GWG much once I get Factions, to avoid spoiling it for myself, it will be like starting out all over again and discovering/exploring everything from new

Good point... the first week will be the best.

Off Topic:

There's no way to completely seal yourself, unless you don't talk to anyone.

I remember when I first (spoiler alert!) got to Piken Square, and someone was selling Althea's Ashes. I didn't even know she was dead yet!

I know, minor thing, but just an example...

FalconDance · Mar 06, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

All my girls are level 20 (plus several times) and nearly all finished completely including all the Titan quests. They all have "the best" armor, Catrin even has 15K bonelace. They all have max weaponry, although there is always a better one to be had, of course

. And they all have more than their share of unspent skill points (saving for Factions skills) and so many unused skills it isn't even funny.

Am I bored with GW? No. Well, ocassionally I get in a slump that lasts about....a day

. Right now, my ranger is helping newbies get through Surmia and Nolani with as little pain as possible? Why? Because someone helped her and if you're only lvl 5 or 7, it can be daunting. Her reward for such behaviour? The ocassional charr hide (which I trade in for fur squares so when I rebuild my warrioress I'll have materials for armor) or dye drop (so far, two peeps I've taken out have gotten black dye, but my best has a blue). The best reward? The timid thank you given at the end.

My other girls go out and adventure. It's not about leveling. It's not even about killing, per se. It's about devising a strategy that means victory for you and/or your party. That is the challenge. Us vs Them.

Pevil Lihatuh · Mar 06, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Nice post Falcon

John Bloodstone · Mar 06, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Funny post, this game isn't Diablo 2. There are few rewards in terms of new armour and weapons, you can't solo endless groups of enemies (without a specific build/enemy anyway), there is very little forced grind, you can't keep endlessly levelling up.

The idea is that you pick up new skills; don't be so quick to dismiss 90% of the skills available to you. Later on in the game you will find that the enemies become a lot harder and you will be relying on those skills, rather than your attributes/level to get through. Once you let go of the notion that more points equals better then you will be able to enjoy the game a lot more.

There are hundreds of skills in this game, if you desperately seek grind, then instead of grinding for levels, grind for all the skills. At the end of the day, what is the difference?

One final thing, harking back to Diablo 2; if you expect to be able to run through vast hoards of enemies and slaughter them indiscriminately then you are in for a bitter upset. This game is about teamwork; this fact is drilled into you at practically the first quest you take where you need a partner in order to collect your ressurrection signet. If you don't like teamwork and would rather solo then i'm sorry to tell you that this game isn't going to get any better for you.

crimsonfilms · Mar 06, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Buy WoW and level up yourself to death.
Then in 6-8 months - start a post in a WoW forum saying you are A) Bored because you are now level 70 or so B) the grind is killing you and you need a game with less grind

If A - wait for the next WoW expansion to increase level cap
If B - buy GW and start the process over.

gg

Mandy Memory · Mar 06, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

either pvp, finish the game, or leave and go play World of Grindcraft

Griff Mon · Mar 06, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I read a review in a game magazine that said, well, you ascend to lvl 20 and then the game is over. ????

Kind of sounds like that. I have six characters all ascended, one in each profession. Just on example, my warrior:

I reset skills for all sorts of different things, a running build, a etten farming build, a FoW/SF build, (several variations), several PVP builds, and then I have several other chars that I have diff builds for depending on what I am doing or what is needed by my guild.

There is so much to do, but you gotta want to do it...

Vindexus · Mar 06, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Dario D.

I have been working very, very hard at this game, trying to level up enough to get over how incredibly difficult the monsters around Kryta (not to mention Shiverpeaks) are, so that I can actually beat them (remembering time well-spent playing Diablo2, where I could actually kill stuff)...

And so finally, today (after clearing much of Kryta's objectives, quests, etc) I got to level 20...

...and then someone tells me you don't get anymore Attribute Points after that. Only skill points, for buying spells (I have 17 that I dont know what to do with and dont need).

So now I'm at the Desert, freshly level 20, and I don't know what on earth to do. The game is pointless now. My attributes are stuck where they are, even though I can only have a couple high enough to be worth anything... I have the best armor already... I have the best weapon my class can ever carry... (I still can't take on more than 2 monters at a time)

XP is useless to me now, because leveling up gives me nothing (just "Skill" points that do nothing for me). No more reason to do quests for XP, so you can throw all questing in the trash, because it's useless now. No more reason to kill monsters for XP, because I cant use XP, and therefor there no reason to fight monsters. Cant upgrade my character, so I don't need gold... dont need crafting materials... nothing to buy... nothing to sell...

So now what? Do I just keep on finding groups in towns, and going out to finish quests and kill monsters, for no reason, for the whole rest of the game? Is this game *meant* to fall apart at Level 20?

Level 20 = Time to PvP.

Sekkira · Mar 06, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Wow. This is seriously like playing metroid, getting the final Varia Suit and giving up because there's no point in continuing, you've got the best equipment.

broodijzer · Mar 06, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I've only read the first few posts, excuse me if this already has been said..

so you've got the best of everything, max lvl and all attributes? you can't improve anymore, only personal skillwise. but the monsters do, lvl, armor and skillwise. so it gets harder, which is fun.